Maryanne says, We created this program because we both saw the intense amount of suffering around love. Specifically, folks being externally referenced: "love happens outside of myself." Given we are relational creatures this is a problem because we need each other. But to what extent do we give up who we really are to get this love? To the degree we feel this separation from our divine nature, which is essentially love, we suffer. We don't understand what it means to love ourselves.

David comments: Over the years I have experienced and seen a lot of suffering. Primarily people doing things to get love. People are tired of being inauthentic as they try to please people to get this love.

They interview William Arntz, author of How to Suffer in 10 Easy Steps.